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NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
« on: September 25, 2013, 07:07:12 pm »
Hello all,

Nam and I decided to make a new Pokémon (for me after a long time), and here it is:

Name:    SOMEONE MAY INSERT A LOVELY NAME
Type:        Psychic / Bug
Ability: 1: Tinted Lens   2: Regenerator    Hidden: Technician
Stats: 90 / 50 / 95 / 110 / 95 / 85 : 525 BST   
 
Level-up Moves:

---: Magical Leaf
---: Air Slash
---: Psyshock
1: Scratch
1: String Shot
1: Focus Energy
3: Fury Cutter
5: Miracle Eye
9: Leech Life
13: False Swipe
18: Confusion
22: Encore
26: Slash
31: Bug Bite
35: Psybeam
41: Silver Wind
45: Baton Pass
49: Psycho Cut
54: Signal Beam
58: Meditate
53: Psychic
68: Bug Buzz
73: Future Sight

 
TM's:
 
TM04 Calm Mind
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM15 Hyper Beam
TM16 Light Screen
TM17 Protect
TM21 Frustration
TM24 Thunderbolt
TM27 Return
TM29 Psychic
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM32 Double Team
TM33 Reflect
TM44 Rest
TM52 Focus Blast
TM53 Energy Ball
TM54 False Swipe
TM73 Thunder Wave
TM75 Swords Dance
TM81 X-scissor
TM86 Grass Knot
TM89 U-turn
TM90 Substitute
 
HM01 Cut
HM02 Fly
 
 
so: it has claws (x-scissor, false swipe) and outside of psychic / bug, it got grass coverage (hits nothing notable). It can also fly (fly) and obviously got lenses for its eyes (like certain bugs, see yanmega) regenerator is from its psychic side, so it is a kind of bulkier floating bug thing with claws and wings but a psychic touch to it (mostly in potential clothing / colour sceme)
debatable:  focus blast
need discussion: quiver dance (it is a kind of butterfly / buggie thing),
added in level up / egg moves: roost, bug and psychic moves,
 
 
Egg Moves:
Ominous Wind
Giga Drain
Trick
Night Slash
Steel Wing
Roost
Agility
Struggle Bug
Magic Coat
Knock Off
Signal Beam

Gender Ratio:
25 M/75 F
 
Egg Group:
 Bug / Amorphous

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Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2013, 07:09:06 pm »
PS: If explanation is needed, ask away (not too much, I don 't have too much time on my hands), but I would be happy to provide reasoning (most moves etc. should be self explanatory due to the appearance desription)

I did not take quiver dance btw. If people feel it should be happy, say so below. Any other moves I might have forgotten can be proposed.

(such as new moves already accepted, or ones I simply missed)

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Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2013, 07:21:25 pm »
My question is mostly why...


Hello all,

Nam and I decided to make a new Pokémon (for me after a long time), and here it is:

Name:    SOMEONE MAY INSERT A LOVELY NAME
Type:        Psychic / Bug
Ability: 1: Tinted Lens   2: Regenerator    Hidden: Technician (Any reason you took arguably the most OP abilities outside Trapping/Powers/Guards?)
Stats: 90 / 50 / 95 / 110 / 95 / 85 : 525 BST    (and a perfect spread for a bulky special attacker, is this meant competitively?)
 
Level-up Moves:

---: Magical Leaf (Yay magical leaves, I always imagine them on a bug psychic type)
---: Air Slash
---: Psyshock (Shocking Pies :], too strong for Level 1, yes I know heart scale, but mons just know the last 4 mons in it's movepool, ones before those four are heart scale moves)
1: Scratch
1: String Shot
1: Focus Energy
3: Fury Cutter
5: Miracle Eye
9: Leech Life
13: False Swipe
18: Confusion
22: Encore
26: Slash
31: Bug Bite
35: Psybeam
41: Silver Wind
45: Baton Pass (any reason for this?)
49: Psycho Cut
54: Signal Beam
58: Meditate (I don't see the logic in this)
53: Psychic
68: Bug Buzz
73: Future Sight

 
TM's:
 
TM04 Calm Mind
TM06 Toxic
TM10 Hidden Power
TM15 Hyper Beam
TM16 Light Screen
TM17 Protect
TM21 Frustration
TM24 Thunderbolt
TM27 Return
TM29 Psychic
TM30 Shadow Ball
TM32 Double Team
TM33 Reflect
TM44 Rest
TM52 Focus Blast
TM53 Energy Ball
TM54 False Swipe
TM73 Thunder Wave
TM75 Swords Dance
TM81 X-scissor
TM86 Grass Knot
TM89 U-turn
TM90 Substitute
 
HM01 Cut
HM02 Fly (Thnx for letting me know, nearly no bug gets Fly)
 
 
so: it has claws (x-scissor, false swipe) and outside of psychic / bug, it got grass coverage (hits nothing notable). It can also fly (fly) and obviously got lenses for its eyes (like certain bugs, see yanmega) regenerator is from its psychic side, so it is a kind of bulkier floating bug thing with claws and wings but a psychic touch to it (mostly in potential clothing / colour sceme) Yay, it's a psychic type, let's give Jynx/Swoobat/Jirachi Regenerator, they are psychics right, I don't have too much against Tinted Lens, just that it seems a bit competitively based
debatable:  focus blast (meh this is ok, enough get it)
need discussion: quiver dance (it is a kind of butterfly / buggie thing), (I thought you guys didn't want a Tinted Lens Quiver Dance mon after Finsetha which was badly forced to be changed, sigh, still need to be done)
added in level up / egg moves: roost, bug and psychic moves,
 
 
Egg Moves:
Ominous Wind
Giga Drain
Trick
Night Slash
Steel Wing
Roost
Agility
Struggle Bug
Magic Coat
Knock Off
Signal Beam
Meh these are ok

Gender Ratio:
25 M/75 F any reason for this spread, just curious
 
Egg Group:
 Bug / Amorphous okay, why amorphous? I don't really know why...

Rate / comment away.
As you may notice, my biggest problem are it's above great awesome abilities, as well as it's extreme bulky attacker stat spread which makes it hard to break, also no prevo's so my be OP ingame, I rather see either bad stat spreads (Cacturne/Zebstrika/Electrode) or lower stat spreads in the range 400 till like 500 at best

I've commented on moves too, but that isn't as badly or something, only small points for which I won't vote negative, just small nitpicks that I'd like to correct.

Sorry if I'm hard, I try to be critical (which is needed as cofagragus votes positive on everything)

GL with it

Edit: But, wait till we had our talk about SOP's mons, before that these spots aren't open and we didn't talk about them yet -.-' we also need to talk about the total accepted and such, maybe update a bit etc.
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Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2013, 07:51:01 pm »
First of, I strongly disapprove of your agressive way of posting your comments. I would have prefered a more civil approach.

Reasons for Technician are plentiful. First of, designwise this Pokémon resembles Scyther / Weavile for their claws; hence making Technician an acceptable ability. Secondly (In fear for your OPness), It got no moves to abuse it, outside of one single move: hidden power (forcing it to lower other stats, most likely attack and another one) Technician being OP, or at least good, in popular opinion is its usage and prevelance on physically biased Pokémon. This Pokémon having only 50 Base Attack does not have the stats (nor does it have the correct physical moves) to abuse this ability anyway, making the ability more novelty then anything else.

Psychic and Bug Buzz both sit at 90 BP (Air Slash at 95), making not one Technician boosted move outside of Hidden Power worth a shot.

Regenerator is yet another designwise chosen ability, based on its psychic typing. Beign a psyhic type opens up the ability for regenerator. Then in comes the fact that this lovely bug is fat. Fat bugs already opens up more room for Regenerator. The fact that it got the ability should tell you that it is indeed able to recover itself. (Bugs -> exoskeletons. And Psychic power for cell repair)

Tinted Lens, again, is based on its envisioned design, having the same eyes as Yanmega and Venomoth (you have to admit, cool enough). Even then, it should be no problem to convince you that this Pokémon got access to this ability for design, and not offensive, reasons. I did quite some damage calculations with the moves Psychic and Bug Buzz, its stabs, and only one Pokémon in around the top 150 (I stopped looking afterwards) shows up that is hit while activating Tinted Lens. This Pokémon is Heatran, a pain in the eye for any Psychic and Bug type. Even then, it still is not hit hard.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tinted Lens (custom) Psychic vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 150-176 (38.96 - 45.71%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

It is now enabled one hit harder then it would do otherwise vs one single Pokémon roaming OU, Heatran. At this point, running Specs and a Modest
nature, the poor bug will get killed by any other offensive mon, since it will be outsped by way too much. (85 base speed is really middling. Remember that this is the game AFTER the game where 100 base speed is considered 'slow' for OU)

Magical Leaf is indeed a move found on lots of Psychic types, like Gardevoir and Mr Mime. Baton Pass is also inspired by the same moves it aesthetically relates to, like Scyther and Mr Mime. Likewise with Giga Drain and Venomoth.

Meditate is, as the name suggests, clearing you mind. By nature alone, any Pokémon should be able to learn it.

The reasons I had for any of the decisions were based on the looks / design I want for this Pokémon. To ensure it would not be OP, like you are afraid of it will be, I did some calculations and did not give it the coverage it would need to abuse its abilities. (boltbeam for tinted lens, high attack and priority moves for technician) Regenerator is not effected or affected by stats too much.

Hope that clears up any of your questions,

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Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2013, 08:40:28 pm »
I might have a name:

What about: Wizug ?

(wizard+bug)

also, not realy sure what to vote. true, it sounds/ looks cool. But is there any story behind it?

on top of that the stats are a bit too high for a one stage, not legendary mon. I had to lower my first mon, because it was deemed too much, and that was a stage 2 (spidium, just fyi)! those 90/95/95 defences would be really good for any mon, was it not for the fact, that it has an awful type combination. Maybe lower the stats to like 500/510? maybe?

Lastly, most moves are fine, but I don't realy feel roost. I get it, it flies, but it just feels like a cheap easy recovery. (also, I think psychic is supposed to be level 63 instead of 53?)

I will not vote as of now, but I'll keep notice of this one.
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Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2013, 09:27:34 pm »
actually a double resistance to fighting, resistance to ground, psychic and grass isn't THAT bad, even tho it has a weakness to SR, U-Turn and Pursuit (which isn't that common), it is pretty good at absorbing most neutral hits and it feels a bit competitively made
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Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2013, 10:01:00 pm »
May i say it has weakness to rock (quite common), dark/ghost (also quite common), fire (sun teams and as said heatran extremely common) and bug (al those u-turn mons), so even if it has a lot of bulk i don't think it will survive that manny hits.

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Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2013, 10:31:14 pm »
Rock is fairly uncommon, only SR is common, Ghost and Dark are very uncommon, U-Turn is what I already said, Sun teams aren't that common, Heatran is only one mon and it doesn't get 50% usage, I mean more that it is very competitively based as seen in it's stat spread and abilities, I'd also like your arguments more if it would've been Galvantula and Rotom or so, as I am more opting for RU/NU at this point rather even PU

I never said it was OP with Technician, I said it is generally based as one of the best abilities in the game.

252+ SpA Choice Specs Tinted Lens (custom) Psychic vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 150-176 (38.96 - 45.71%) -- guaranteed 3HKO (oh so it is OU, great we already have too many OU mons)

I never said it was a sweeper, I said it was a perfect bulky attacker (and a lot of scarfers like RotomW have around this speed stat, it also has thunder wave)

OOOH, Gardevoid and Mr Mime qualify as A LOT OF PSYCHIC TYPES 0.0

and you gave it a move "every mon should be able to learn", yea not everyone does, so it is probably more for mons based on that characteristics

A fat bug... wut? I really don't know about this flavourwise but anyway, Snorlax with Regenerator? Lickilicky? Walrein? only logical things like Reuniclus get it (recovering it's cells), even tho I probably missed something

Baton Pass like Scyther and Mr. Mime? it was a fat thing? I don't get you anyway, it looks like those things, it has claws and tinted lenses? a mon doesn't get all options something of teh same typing gets, if I build a mon that's say a Bug / Flying type I don't give it Megahorn either...

I am not afraid it is OP, I am afraid it is again an OU mon and too competitively made

I said even at the end of the post "sorry if I sound offensive, I only want to improve it"

Anyway's if you really want to make it this way, make it like a special Escavalier, that is really strong and quite bulky, but bad movepool/abilities, or something in that direction, just some combo that it wouldn't turn out too good, but still usable in some roles (even tho I'd like PU mons more, I can't control that)

Sorry that I sound mean, but really I don't like those abilities at least (as I said last post)
« Last Edit: September 25, 2013, 10:48:49 pm by Snaquaza »
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Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2013, 04:41:39 am »
@Present, I noticed you said HP is affected by Technician (unless different IVs than 30/31) and that Air Slash is 95 BP; Air Slash is 75 BP w/ 95 Accuracy and HP is 70 or less BP, which Id always prefer. BTW it can abuse more than the aforementioned moves:
Silver Wind
Magical Leaf
Grass Knot
Ominous Wind
Shock Wave (if tutor or somethin')
Aerial Ace
(above are somewhat usable I never said they are all OP moves)

Second, I agree with Present that Snaquaza approaches others mons with commenting on their own quote and feels a bit unnecesarry to go of on others mons :/

Third I have a name: Slicent. Its fun and has an original Pokemon ring to it :)
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Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2013, 03:47:31 pm »
Well rock is quite common look at EdgeQuake A LOT of mons carry it. Ghost/Dark seems uncommon but ttar is used a lot with both edge crunch and pursuit which are quite common moves. Shadow Ball is also a move used a lot. Also fire type moves are careed on ALMOST EVERY dragon because of steel's resist.

So those weaknesses are INDEED common.

About Technician:
Silver Wind, Bugg Buzz is the same base power and has more pp so useless kinda.
Magical Leaf, Well ok this might be but Giga drain with another ability is more usefull.
Grass Knot, Not always 60 or less.
Ominous Wind, Shadow ball is only 10 base power less but more pp.
Shock Wave , Another ok but it has no real reasons to use it.
Aerial Ace, look at it's attack stat.

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Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2013, 04:04:24 pm »
Say which mons carry rock coverage options besides Terra and Tyrani

Next thing: Why are we even having to talk about OU, why wouldn't it good to make it RU or PU?
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2013, 07:28:13 pm »
Hmm I never said it was OU, I just took a calc vs Heatran (an OU mon), providing calculations how it fares in OU. (Since all non-Ubers are allowed there) Also, we do not make a pokemon RU or NU, it becomes RU / NU based on usage. Being or not being good to give a mon a certain tier as its home seems arbitrary and detrimental of the fact that this should be ingame discussion. But I"ll answer your questions.

cofagragus, I think you misread shock wave, it does not get it.

Silver Wind is inferior to Bug Buzz, Shadow Ball has more PP then Omnious Wind (even then, I would never run ghost type moves on this thing: ghost hits other ghosts and psychic types. Psychic types get hit by Bug Buzz, and ghosts will be psychic'd for neutral damage. Running Ghost type coverage would give up too much)

Rock coverage in OU is seen on Terrakion, Landorus-T and Tyranitar, which are also the only Rock types around. Looking down at UU and the like with some usage in current OU, Darmanitan runs Rock Slide, Mienshao runs Stone Edge and certain weird variants of Hippowdon run Stone Edge to hit Gyarados harder than with Ice Fang. (I would never do that either way)

Ghost type coverage is run on Gengar, some Jellicent and OTR Reuniclus.

Dark Type Coverage is run on Tyranitar, and any other Dark types seeing occasional use in OU. Pursuit is used on Scizor.

Bug type coverage is used on only Bug types, except for U-turn, which gets used on any fast scouting pokemon. It sees less use then before though.

Fire type coverage is run on not only fire teams, but on almost any offensive Special / Mixed Pokemon to get around steel types (lati@s, darmanitan, dragonite, salamence, stoutland, etc. etc. all run fire type coverage. It is one of the most common coverage types)

Flying type sees some good use this generation, much more then before: Brave Bird on occasional suicide birds (least common one), Bounce on Gyarados, and most common is Hurricane on rain teams.

Aerial Ace should never be used, with its very weak 50 Base Attack

Stealth Rock is (should)  be seen on every team.

I did give reasons for Regenerate.

I said psychic types like gardevoir and mr mime, with like being an indication of examples, not an indication of listing all pokemon with access to the previsouly mentioned move.

Eneomas, I am sorry if you had to lower your BST's of your mons. I do not think that should be a reason to lower other mons BST's though.

Psychic should be 63, yes.

Snaq, I feel like I have elaborated on the abilities a lot by now, and have proven that they are nowhere near OP. I do feel that you are afraid of the abilities in themselves. Since Technician is good on Scizor and Breloom (130 base attack 9 priority moves each), does not mean it is automatic good on this poke. Even Ambipom is not OU (though by means of Technician and fake out, it should be according to its OPness) At least, that is what I read in your comment.

I seriously doubt a lot that this bug will make it into OU. I really, really do not think it will get even close. It gets beaten by Sun (welp fire moves), Rain (don't let it take Hurricanes / Hydro Pumps), Sand teams (welp T-tar and Landorus). Offensive teams will do a lot of damage too (fire coverage is really common, as well as strong, OHKO'ing neutral hits). By my calculations, with stealth rocks, a lot of neutral hits will simply OHKO (haxorus / garchomp, Latios etc. the dragons.)

This Pokemon is at a disadvantage in any weather as well as against dragon teams (4drag2mag). It should find some middle ground in something like RU (my estimation, if a lot of people think it has utility, it might be really low UU).

Hmm snaq, neither does this mon have Megahorn (or psystrike, or hypnosis) I did not simply give it all moves remniscient with its typing.

I really do like a bulky little bug. I do not see what is wrong with envisioning a fat mon who is so busy building things, like nests or some machinery with its claws all the time (zooming in with lenses), but not moving enough and getting fat.

This was something I had in mind (with automatic lenses, to use in building very small objects)

http://www.beroepenplaatjes.nl/onderhoudsmonteur/beroepenplaatjes.php?thumb=onderhoudsmonteur/monteur17.jpg

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Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2013, 07:39:33 pm »
You say we don't make a mon for a tier, which is certainly true, I mostly use RU for it's ability and viability tho, this would be stronger ingame (less tyranitar, more patrat) and it has really great stats especially for in game, so that seems to increase my point

You say the abilities might not be OP, I still don't see them fit and put in a bit too easily (no swarm, illuminate, frisk, inner focus etc.)

Well, bulky little bugs probably don't have 115 SPA stats or 85 speed stats, probably lower than 90 defenses too

Most ingame mons don't even get close to this kind of stats

now competitive, I calced with a starmie which is basically this mon

252+ SpA Starmie Thunder vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Politoed: 262-310 (68.22 - 80.72%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (bulkiest version of Toed)

252+ SpA Starmie Thunder vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Tentacruel: 226-266 (62.25 - 73.27%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (it fares badly against rain?)

252+ SpA Starmie Thunder vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Keldeo: 286-338 (88.54 - 104.64%) -- 31.25% chance to OHKO

now other way around

252 SpA Life Orb Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Starmie in rain: 398-469 (68.26 - 80.44%) -- guaranteed 2HKO (it can actually take on of THE strongest Hydro Pumps IN RAIN)

So I don't think you should make calcs for your mon so they are not op, maybe you should take calcs so you know for sure they aren't that good and will instead of "OP", "Mediocre"
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Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2013, 09:10:13 pm »
It is not little looking at that pic it is a bulky fat blob buggy.
Badly against rain was the hurricane not hydro pump.
If you  make it defensive it means it is slow and weaker no investements.

It can be late-game catchable like Volcarona in the ruins.

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Re: NEW POKEMON, NAME NEEDED!
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2013, 09:49:02 pm »
i would rather see like durnat tbh, otherwise, add a location
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