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Author Topic: Hedgehoft, Furrike & Cushown  (Read 293 times)

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well... Actually, it was my purpose to put sleep talk as one of the moves, randomizing the moves it uses, and thus making it really gimmicky and difficult to use attacking, as it uses random moves. I could change the ability to auto sleep talk each turn, but i will see about that, as that gives it a lot more PP stall.


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Sorry, I'll vote Negative once voting starts, this is way too good defensively not to be hit by any Status and it has higher defenses than GIRATINA
« Last Edit: August 29, 2013, 03:56:49 pm by Snaquaza »
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Registeel has higher defenses than Giratina (although less HP). Slaking's attack is as high as Regigigas's. Cushown's constant sleep makes it's behavior unpredictable so you couldn't use it as a wall that chips away at opponents reliably. Also, if it has no recovery moves, then it can't effectively be used as a long-term wall (like Blissey or Giratina). Running some calcs on this mon. There are a lot of mons that could run 3HKOs on it and a few that could 2HKO (Terrakion or Deoxys-A to name a few). In other words, with Sleep Talk randomness and no recovery (not to mention possible SR or spikes) a user would have just enough time to pull of whatever set-up move they were trying to use. Thus, I don't think this would be OP, and I would be very interested in playtesting it.

EDIT: Most +2 Atk or Sp Atk sweepers could 2HKO this thing if they run Close Combat or Focus Blast. So something like that could stop it from setting up effectively.
« Last Edit: August 30, 2013, 03:07:59 am by Zyphirex »

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2 People vs 1, 1 more vote perhaps when it starts. BUT, this needs moves and explaining of evolution, evolution is confusing with this :/ Also, @Snaq, this most likely wont get any recovery and Rest doesnt work for sleeping mons
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well imagine it, 150 defenses higher than Giratina while unable to be worn down by status
ALSO EVER NOTICED HOW DAMN BULKY GIRATINA IS!?
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Negative

150/150/150 defenses with an immunity to status, with workable offenses and access to sleep talk means that this guy will be too trollish and hard to take down (not to mention being rather annoying more than anything else). For Hedgehoft and Furrike, I'd work on the stats due to the fact that having a low a dump stat as 20 is BST abuse; try and simplify the stats and make them more realistic :)

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First off, why does nobody know what W.I.P stands for. Work In Progress, it should not be voted on. Second off, i've heard the extreme stat problem before. It might be huge, but it lacks recovery, and it's moves are randomised each turn! It could use Wild Charge on a gastrodon, or focus punch on Gengar. It could be lucky, but it could be awful. It's gimmicky alright, but it's supposed to be the ability hinder mon. Lastly, Taunt! If you taunt it (not a hard job considering the 60 speed stat), it's useless, and can easily be set up on.


And I Will want to ask you all, stop voting please, it's good to see how people see it (either extremely positive, or extremely negative), but it doesn't even have it's moves. I'll try to lighten up some matters, and try to make it more... strange-ish
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Honestly it would be good to have 120/120/120 Defenses and OK offenses, so ppl dont complain. And I still dont get the evo method :/
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oh prevos have unbalanced stats even more
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Thats right.... if they're accepted they'll need LOTS of revision after I think 'bout it. So I, meh, think it should be revised before it gets voted on.
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3 words: Work In Progress.
'Nough said
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Yeah after I think about it leave his mon alone it deserves a chance, we dont even know how it would perform in competitive play
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For the two split evos, that's just a bit too low. We aren't trying to reincarnate Deoxys-Attack. I mean, it's fine, but you're going to need serious time for boosting and a defensive ability in order to even stay alive. Cushown has a really neat ability, but is always wasting a moveslot with Sleep Talk, which could be used for a vital Rest or power-up move in order to destroy everything. However, it will act like Giratina's HP combined with Registeel's defenses to wall like an animal. Literally ;)
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4 Mons? either strange split or not possible, also isn't this a bit of a stolen concept of Nincada, maybe try to make the concept a bit easier ^_^
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Re: Hedgehoft, Furrike & Cushown (first glance, W.I.P.)
« Reply #29 on: November 17, 2013, 06:29:15 pm »
I say make the 150's 120. That way it's not too powerful, while still being insanely bulky. Not that hard of a fix.
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