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The Making of Tervari => Pokemon and Pokedex => Propositions => Topic started by: ChaosSigma0 on November 16, 2013, 06:39:51 am

Title: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: ChaosSigma0 on November 16, 2013, 06:39:51 am
Names: Pyrosen, Pyrospectre
Type: Psychic/Fire

~Design (Pyrospectre)~
On first concept, I was originally thinking of some kind of doppelganger version of Gardevoir... But I don't know whether to continue that concept because XY's Delphox somehow looks similar (imo)...

~Pokedex Data~
Species: Arcane
Evolutionary Line: Pyrosen (Evolve with Fire Stone) > Pyrospectre
Height: {Will be inputted when design is complete}
Weight: {Will be inputted when design is complete}

Entry (Pyrosen): Even though it appears to be sleeping, it is actually very aware of its surroundings. It can sense everything around it and will use its power if it has to.
Entry (Pyrospectre): Its body is surrounded by a near-invisible aura that slightly singes anything that gets in range. An strange power is said to be felt from it.

~Abilities~
Original Ability: Mystic Aura - Increases Special Attack and Special Defense by 30% when inflicted by a major status ailment.
or
Ability 1: Flash Fire (http://pokemondb.net/ability/flash-fire) (75%)
Ability 2: Wonder Skin (http://pokemondb.net/ability/wonder-skin) (25%)
DW       : Magic Bounce (http://pokemondb.net/ability/magic-bounce)

~Stats~
Pyrosen:  46 HP / 46 Atk / 46 Def / 68 SpA / 68 SpD / 74 Spe - 348 BST
Pyrospectre: 69 HP / 69 Atk / 69 Def / 101 SpA / 101 SpD / 111 Spe - 520 BST 

~Training~
Pyrosen:
EV Yield: 1 Spe
Catch rate: 75 (16.68% with Poké Ball, full HP)  [89.6% w/ Poké Ball at 1% HP while asleep/frozen]
Base Happiness: 35 (lower than normal)
Base EXP: 140

Pyrospectre:
EV Yield: 1 SpA, 2 Spe
Catch rate: 30 (4% with Poké Ball, full HP)  [43% w/ Ultra Ball at 1% HP while asleep/frozen]
Base Happiness: 35 (lower than normal)
Base EXP: 208
Growth Rate: Slow (for both pokemon)

~Breeding~
Egg Groups: Amorphous   
Gender: Genderless   
Egg cycles: 41 (minimum 10,455 steps)

~Movepool~
Level Up:
01, 01   - Teleport, Hex, Confusion
05, 06   - Safeguard
08, 10   - Psybeam
13, 15   - Incinerate
17, 20   - Hypnosis
18, 21   - Psych Up
---, 25   - Psyshock
25, 28   - Reflect
26, 30   - Charge Beam
31, 35   - Will-o-Wisp
32, 36   - Mystical Fire
35, 40   - Psychic
40, 45   - Psycho Shift
44, 50   - Flamethrower
49, 55   - Recover
53, 60   - Memento
58, 65   - Protect
---, 70   - Stored Power
70, 78   - Calm Mind
---, 80   - Mystic Flare**

Egg Moves:
None

Tutor Moves:
Dark Pulse (Pyrospectre only)
Gravity
Heat Wave (Pyrospectre only)
Magic Coat
Magic Room
Magnet Rise
Ominous Wind
Signal Beam
Skill Swap
Wonder Room

TMs:
03 - Psyshock (Pyrospectre only)
04 - Calm Mind
06 - Toxic
10 - Hidden Power
12 - Taunt
15 - Hyper Beam (Pyrospectre only)
16 - Light Screen
17 - Protect
18 - Rain Dance
20 - Safeguard
21 - Frustration
24 - Thunderbolt
25 - Thunder (Pyrospectre only)
27 - Return
29 - Psychic
30 - Shadow Ball
32 - Double Team
33 - Reflect
41 - Torment
44 - Rest
57 - Charge Beam
63 - Embargo
70 - Flash
73 - Thunder Wave (Pyrospectre only)
77 - Psych Up
85 - Dream Eater
87 - Swagger
88 - Sleep Talk
90 - Substitute
92 - Trick Room

**Signature Move
Mystic Flare: Type - Fire | Power - 80 | Accuracy - 95% | PP - 5
Description: The user emits a enchanted flame that does both Psychic and Fire damage.
Effect - 40% chance to increase a random stat by 1 stage.

There still work to be done for the design. This will be done, hopefully eventually.

I would like to thank everyone who has helped me out with this project so far, and those who have voted positive.  ;D .

Changes since last update...
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Volspectre
Post by: TheBurgerking99 on November 17, 2013, 06:15:42 pm
Shock force -> static imo, and mystic aura -> serene grace (given the description)
get rid of cosmic power, makes no sense with the given
Change speed to  116
Get rid of nasty plot, no place on something this fast.
Do this and I will vote for it.
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Volspectre
Post by: ChaosSigma0 on November 18, 2013, 12:42:03 am
Abilities- I'm a bit confused from what you said... ???
Mystic Aura isn't like Serene Grace at all, neither is Shock Force to Static. Unless you meant to change the second set of abilities.

Speed- I've been through this part a lot of times with others before I wrote this in stone, and I don't plan to change it. The pokemon is supposed to be a fast special sweeper, and the 121 Speed is meant to troll the likes of Alakazam and others.  ;D

Moves- I kinda agree a bit on removing Nasty Plot. :-\ I'll try something else, or straight up remove the slot.
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Volspectre
Post by: EhhhN on November 18, 2013, 09:51:36 pm
Love the typing, excellent moveset, great SpA, SpD and Spe stats.

Moves- I kinda agree a bit on removing Nasty Plot. :-\ I'll try something else, or straight up remove the slot.

This is pretty true, we don't want this to become the next Deoxys et al. Perfect combinations, I will be looking forward to using this guy competitively :)
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Volspectre
Post by: Snaquaza on November 18, 2013, 10:50:23 pm
I have to say Electric Type slots are filled up
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Volspectre
Post by: ChaosSigma0 on November 18, 2013, 11:31:14 pm
I have to say Electric Type slots are filled up

Awww... :'( Ok, what would you suggest I do then?
That typing is rather awesome, and I don't really want to change it... :-\
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: EhhhN on November 22, 2013, 02:32:33 pm
Great editing. Don't make Mystic Flare too overpowered, you can either nerf the damage to 75 and then keep the raising random stat or you could keep the BP and just drop the secondary effect. Otherwise, I love those stats and cavernous movepool, this guy completely outclasses Delphox. Hopefully this guy is approved, because I smell humongous potential :)
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: Eneomas on November 22, 2013, 09:05:08 pm
The type seems overdone to be honest, especially since Victini in gen 5 rocked it. This is quite understandable, and is just a thing worth mentioning, as tip of the iceberg (oh goody, here I go...)

May I inform you that tervari runs on gen 5 mechanics. Thus No fairy type moves and or typing! Aside from that a 530 BST seems a bit high, especially with a pisspoor Attack stat (49, realy?, even volcarona has 60) to boost the other stats even further up.

Concerning abilities, choose the second set! We have plenty of abilities already (someone please back me up on this), and we do not need another 2 signature abilities.

The level up moves are a bit too much. 21 moves reaching all the way up to level 80 for the last move? A bit high wouldn't you say? Aside from that, why is Cosmic Power on this thing? I don't see it, it doesn't have reference to space does it?

More negativity, oh joy,: You said it's supposed to be a "fast special sweeper" 2 posts ago. Was this mon meant mostly competitively? If so, please loosen up a bit. We're trying to make a game, not "Brokenmons". One last negative thing, No mon (not even Arceus) gives more than 3 EV's. Please change that.


Boy, that was enough negativity. It's not all bad though. I do quite like the idea of this mon (too bad electric type was filled) and I do think the tutor moves aren't bad... but once again, gen 5 mechanics :'( . Spectre's catch rate is a fun one (30 was unique, was it not) but Sen's rate is too low. just make it 90 or something.

I hope I didn't go too far...
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: ChaosSigma0 on November 22, 2013, 11:20:32 pm
The type seems overdone to be honest, especially since Victini in gen 5 rocked it.
That's the main reason why I originally didn't want to use the Psychic/Fire typing... Then again, most Victini sets used nowadays are physical sets. So I think this 'mon has a good chance there...

May I inform you that tervari runs on gen 5 mechanics. Thus No fairy type moves and or typing! Aside from that a 530 BST seems a bit high, especially with a ****poor Attack stat (49, realy?, even volcarona has 60) to boost the other stats even further up.
I realized yeaterday that Tervari runs on Gen 5 stuff... I fixed that now.  ;) I changed the stat spreads to be a bit similar to Misdreavus and Mismagius.

Concerning abilities, choose the second set! We have plenty of abilities already (someone please back me up on this), and we do not need another 2 signature abilities.
How about I just give it just one signature ability for both 'mons? Can that work out?  ;D
I was originally thinking of somehow combining the two abilities... But I dunno, I'll try that first.
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: ChaosSigma0 on November 28, 2013, 12:19:45 pm
I wonder if prepositions are still open... It's been a good while now...
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: Eneomas on November 30, 2013, 08:41:19 pm
Technically, I don't see anything wrong with it. I think it's fair to vote.
I would if only I was sure all slots are open, man we realy need a list.
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: Snaquaza on November 30, 2013, 08:48:31 pm
Eneomas, we do have a list and you do have access to it, it isn't totally updated but you get a rough idea
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: Eneomas on November 30, 2013, 08:51:38 pm
If the rough list fits positive
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: Snaquaza on November 30, 2013, 08:56:55 pm
Just go look at it please Eneomas

Anyway, please lower the speed, as I don't get why it's higher, to 101 would be good (and still a nice base), also, I don't like that it has Magic Guard, which only very limited mons get, does it have any special relation to Magic? Lastly, I think the BST would be needed to be lower at least 10-30, as this is the Fire Starter range, which I don't want it to be confused with, as well as the fact we have lots of high BST mons already so any extra BST lowering would be appreciated.

We don't have gen 6 mons and new moves propositions are closed
Lastly, please please explain some of the rarer moves and it's stats and how it looks, so I'll have a clearer view

Sorry to be negative, i am that usually, it is better than most starting moves tho
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: Eneomas on November 30, 2013, 08:58:55 pm
snaq, I looked at it. IT FITS!
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: Snaquaza on November 30, 2013, 09:37:43 pm
not really, Magic Guard isn't given away often, so I want to make sure it's ok for it to have it
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: Eneomas on November 30, 2013, 10:06:11 pm
I meant it as, it's typing fits. :(
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: Snaquaza on November 30, 2013, 10:58:41 pm
Well I mean, tehre are a lot of Psychic types, 2 families get Magic Guard
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: ChaosSigma0 on December 01, 2013, 01:23:22 pm
I've begun working on the design in Photoshop... (sorry if you think I'm taking too long  :-[ )
I'll update and change some more stuff when I'm ready again, and (hopefully) finish and add the design concepts.

If you saw it, the species is 'Arcane'. This word relates to magic quite well and it also means mysterious, known-by-few or secret... If you still don't agree with Magic Guard being on this pokemon, which good suggestions do you think I can replace it with?  :-\
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: Snaquaza on December 01, 2013, 04:15:49 pm
Well all of Inner Focus, Frisk, Telepathy and Synchronize can be good flavor abilities, if you decide to keep Magic Guard, you could also take Magic Bounce over it, it feels a bit more fitting, also you could decide to give it Cursed Body, for anyone who tries to discover it's "secrets"
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: ChaosSigma0 on December 02, 2013, 12:37:43 am
Thnx Snaquaza, those are some pretty nice suggestions there. Even though Magic Bounce was on the first set of abilities alongside Magic Guard...

Cursed Body sounds more of a creepy ability, and it's even found only on ghost pokemon, not psychic pokemon.
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: ChaosSigma0 on December 10, 2013, 01:47:38 am
I just realized I kinda suck at Photoshop when designing certain things from scratch, like a new pokemon.

On a second thought, something told me I could take some Fakemon from somewhere and then change their designs a bit to see if I get something as close as possible to what I want... But then, I think that may cause a few problems.

AAAARGH! The idea's there, and I can perfectly visualize it! But I just can't get it out on the canvas properly! Can someone please help me out or at least give some advice?
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: Snaquaza on December 10, 2013, 07:11:33 am
Uh please don't take Pokemon from somewhere, or else get at least permission to use them
Title: Re: New Pokemon: Pyrosen and Pyrospectre
Post by: Snaquaza on December 12, 2013, 12:44:47 am
I talked with Chaos and we made some compromises, so POSItiVE